Curse

Stabber · May 24, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by aron searle

trade channel dosnt work

come up with an alternative rahter than defending a broken system

What do you mean? I just hit $, typed "testing", and it showed up fine on the trade channel. Seems to work perfectly here!

Beat_Go_Stick · May 24, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Ok, this isn't only about spam, guys. There are people who play this game (like me) who would love to sell stuff but don't feel like sitting around shouting "SALTED NUUUUUUTS!!!!!" all the time.

I could care less about the spam. there is ALWAYS a district without spam that I can zone to. ALWAYS. What I want is a way to actually sell the stuff I want to sell without requiring I participate in this insanely broken Bazaar system where you have to try and fool a spam filter just to get people to nitice you are selling something.

An auction house would be a start. Take Wow and SWG, they did it fine. Start there and improve on it after there's at least something people can use.

It's freakin' stupid that it's been a year and not even the first step towards a healthy barter system has been implemented. EVEN A FAN CONTROLLED FORUM CREATED AN AUCTION HOUSE THAT WORKS WELL!!! HOW HARD COULD IT BE FOR THE DEVELOPERS OF THE GAME???

Seriously, there is no real reason I can think of. GWGuru has a better trading system created by unpayed fan-devs than the game we paid for.

Make a basic auction house.
Stick it in the game.
Make improvements if you need to.

Dawgboy · May 24, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

I've been in tiny out-of the-way towns with under 10 other people in them and there was still trade spam. Some idiot would "WTS" every minute for a while even though no one else is even saying anything. To say only a few major dist.1 hubs gets spammed is absolutely wrong.

I agree there needs to be an auction house or something- i've been playing 11 months and NEVER bought/sold ANYTHING. I'd rather give it away than be an annoying spammer-in fact just last night I gave out 3 gold hammers for free in Sardalec. They might turn around and sell them, but they might use them and either way it's better than just getting 150 gold from a merchant.

Dove_Song · May 25, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by aron searle

No need to ADD it to any list really

The games been out for what a year?

People have been asking for it since release, instead we get minipets, ill shutup now as i cant be arsed to argue with fanboys anymore.

ROFL can I go with you?

Point is I shouldn't have to turn off a channel that shouldn't be used for trade anyway...that channel is for questions and finding groups.

NEWS FLASH IDIOTS!!!!! TRADE GOES INTO THE TRADE CHANNEL!

fiery · May 25, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I don't feel like reading tons of mindless rants. But due to the new update, messages typed in ALL CHAT included with the words "WTB or "WTS" at the beginning of the sentence places it in trade channel automaticly.

So say the chat is checked on "all chat"
1) Type WTB Mini Pet
2) New trade update puts it in Trade channel message than all chat.

Vana The Everyoung · May 25, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Trade channel doesn’t work

come up with an alternative rather than defending a broken system
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Um your logic is strange
Using the common chat to spam your sale pitch is no different from spamming in trade chat. With people spamming in either location they both become unreadable. The problem here is not the area used but the excessive spamming by sellers. To the people who need to trade, you only need to type your message once!!! If people want to purchase your items they can scroll the chat back up to see your message.

My biggest gripe with the trade chat is the pink text can be hard to read at times.

I think that the filter move is a good one as it finally sends the message to the sellers that no, it is not all right for you to sell in common chat please use the trade chat.

Aarroe of Gilgamesh · May 25, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

since vendors are already coded, i really don't see why they don't add vendors for mods, greens, or even mini pets. then follow this up with the coup-de-gras of using local chat for trades becoming bannable. by having the gap between price bought for and sold for at npc merchants they are kind of encouraging people to use chat to market them to increase profit margin. briefly spamming local chat is for the legitimate player the release from farming. ie, if i could get a decent amount for this +1 20% air wrap i won't have to farm for a few days, thus making the game more enjoyable for me, and enabling me to spend more time gvging, helping with missions, w/e. since the trade channel is ignored, it is ironically a poor trade channel. flame away, but when i eventually get money again and i see an add in local chat for a 20% death, blood, enchanting, or mod i need, i won't be mad at the seller. before i run out of patience trying to sell things i often answer questions people ask about the game in local chat with pms. takes away some of the tedium.

{IceFire} · May 25, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

well at least i dont have to waste my time changing from local to trade and back and forth -_-"

Gmr Leon · May 25, 2006, 03:50 AM // 03:50

Trade,the hell of online games. This is why I'm not a merchant in-game!

Maria The Princess · May 25, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

whatever..... its not lik eanything will change.

i have been ok with traders, if i wanna buy something, i just go to ascalon and read posts, usually i see it in a min or two. ive made it so far with with traders making groups in D3, and i'm not complaining.

anyways, any person who uses a tiny little common sence knows that to sell a product you need to expose it, and so far the only way to do so it in local chat.

if i turn trade chat on, everything runs buy sO freakin fast from all those posts i cant even read properly, and if item i need comes along i spend time scrolling and serching for the seller. so yes i keep it closed.

for whiners, i think GW should just do a personal filter, to be able to block not only words, but groups of words, like : "W T S" or "selling" or "want to sell"

chessyang · May 25, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by robrobrob

You can read my thoughts at: http://gws.echoshift.net

Worth reading in my (biased) opinion.

in your last few lines of your blog you said

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If you’re going to claim you’re fixing something, at least truly fix it already, and stop lying to your consumers.

but on the website at guildwars.com/support/gameupdates. they state it's an

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improved the spam filter

don't think that's lying. not sure what Mrs. Gray has said about the chat stuff... but i'm happy w/ the improvment.

not a coder or programer but can't you do some sort of wild card function for the spaces and dashes?

i'm glad there working on fixing the chat. and like someone else said turn off the trade or go to dis 2 or highter.

to bad no one uses the "market place" to market stuff in factions

oh ya... like someone said.........Auction house FTW!!!!

EDIT
here's an ideal....

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=22

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Originally Posted by wasaguest

Couple of days ago, in HzH no one was using the trade channel to trade stuff. Someone there suggested we all turn off All channel and begin using the Trade channel for looking for groups and what not.

I laughed when I started to see people actually saying "Lfg" and "Glf" in the trade channel. I waited around for about ten minutes and people were still trying to sell in All channel, and everyone else was in trade channel talking as if it was the All Channel. Funniest thing I've seen in regards to the chat channels.

make a misson/quest chat.....

William Stark · May 25, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

The problem with an auction house system is that it would be easily avoided by potential buyers, just as would a specific trading location. This would make it unattractive to the WTSers.

Their tactics are chosen specifically to place them where the largest market is and they are not phased by any criticism you might direct at them or the disruption they cause. Think of a cold caller who phones during dinner to sell you a new mobile phone/kitchen/insurance etc. No matter how much it annoys everyone, they keep doing it, so must be making some money.

An auction house might be used by legit players, but the bots and griefers would stay where they are now (maybe using auctions as well). The only way it might impact on them IMO is if so many traders used the auction house that it made it unprofitable to trade elsewhere.

aron searle · May 25, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by Stabber

What do you mean? I just hit $, typed "testing", and it showed up fine on the trade channel. Seems to work perfectly here!

Ohhhh humor.

Why not try addressing the issue. Trade channel does not work in the sense it is not a good place to trade. Often i have sold things in minutes that wouldnt shift for several minutes, or up to half an hour in trade.

IT DOES NOT WORK.

why not come up with a solution rather than using bad jokes, or sarcasm to brush aside the issue.

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NEWS FLASH IDIOTS!!!!! TRADE GOES INTO THE TRADE CHANNEL!

Another fanboy resorting to insults rather than using his brain and coming up with intelligent responses or suggestions.

obviosly beyond you.

Navaros · May 25, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

The spam on trade channel gives you a migraine because it is so fast?

But the exactly same spam on Local doesn't give you a migraine?

I don't follow your logic. If the color of the channel is wrong, then why not make a suggestion to change it. :P

Trade-channel is named 'Trade'-channel for a reason. o_O?

Saying they are exactly the same is incorrect.

Both channels are indeed capable of giving migraines However, the trade channel tends to scroll by much faster and hence is capable of giving migraines much faster, because there are more people spamming in the trade channel than there are spamming in the local channel.

Naming the channel "Trade" is not very apt in my view. I think they should rename the channel to "Free Migraines" or something like that.

Lord Cooper · May 25, 2006, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

/rant on

People seem to take this crap way too seriously.

Let's put it this way....there is no easy way to sell anything in GW. There is no auction house. Players need to adapt in some way.

Everyone (AFAIK) turns off trade chat.

Thus, in order to sell anything, players must sell in the local chat.

Ideally, players will restrict selling advertisements to LA dist 1 (for example). Going to dist 4 to sell something shouldn't happen.

So, the optimal answer is - let the buyers and sellers live in district 1 of LA. Boom, there is your friggin auction house. Want to get a group together to do a mission? Fine, go to dist 2. don't want to see trade messages? Fine, go to dist 2.

Whatever.

Just quit acting like whiny babies over this issue. You have a gripe about the whole trading issue, not just people spamming WTS in local chat, so please adapt so that traders have SOMEPLACE to go to trade.

Sheesh.

LA has been the defacto trading place since the game came out. Learn to compromise a bit.

you know what you are dont you... you are the in game equivalant of the door - door salesman that barges into your house to try and get you to buy a vacuum cleaner (or whatever). if i want a vacuum cleaner i will go to the shop and buy one. i wont buy one off you.

using the global chat is the same thing you are forcing your way where you arent wanted. if people want to buy things they will go to the trade channel and buy from the people there not from you. if they have the trade channel turned off then they arent potential customers and therefore you have no valid excuse for using global chat in the first place

Kaguya · May 25, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Both channels are indeed capable of giving migraines However, the trade channel tends to scroll by much faster and hence is capable of giving migraines much faster, because there are more people spamming in the trade channel than there are spamming in the local channel.

There won't be any difference if Local really was defacto trading channel, no-one would use the trade, and every single want-to-sell spam would be on local, there is no difference in the end. Luckily, or unfortunately, this isn't the case, as there are some 'smart' players who actually do use Trade-channel. Maybe they should start spamming on local as well because trade channel is totally useless as people say? Especially seeing that they are 'punished' by doing the 'right thing'.

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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper

using the global chat is the same thing you are forcing
your way where you arent wanted. if people want to buy things they will go to the trade channel and buy from the people there not from you. if they have the trade channel turned off then they arent potential customers and therefore you have no valid excuse for using global chat in the first place

The situation is a little similar in GW as it is in RL with eMail spam. The spammers send out millions of emails, to pretty much everyone who they can, and they just need couple real buyers from this group of millions to make it profitable. And there always is people who buy stuff from spammers, otherwise there wouldn't be so much of it.

In similar way, spamming your WTS in Local reaches more people than those who are buying their vacuum cleaner from the shop, most of people don't care, but the minor fraction that buys stuff from people spamming on local makes it profitable, ie. worth their while.

Lady Lozza · May 25, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

Yes, the current system isn’t great. Yes, it needs to be improved. However sometimes the improvements are MUCH more complicated then you can imagine. The users say: give us an auction house, but in reality the BEST solution may NOT be a trading house at all. Anet will want to INVESTIGATE and TEST, and TEST somemore. These things take TIME. This is further complicated by the fact that trading is NOT a SIMPLE matter and of the whole game it is the ONE feature that CANNOT AFFORD TO FAIL.

The simplistic things Anet have been implementing are short term fixes, because short term fixed ARE REQUIRED between now and when they finally finish testing and implementing whatever long term solution they come up with.

A filter is certainly a good step. With the filter implemented to divert chat to the appropriate channel, keywords which trigger the diversion should be fairly easy to update. Assuming that is, that the devs have programmed to check a source of words (ie all on a list) rather than only checking for two (wtb & wts). I'm assuming that the devs aren't completely stupid and the list will be updated. Sure, it isn't going to stop people doing it, but I think sellers are going to have to use a little creative thinking in the coming months in order to get around the filter. Judging by some of the things I've seen some traders write, creative thinking might not be their strong point.

Lord Cooper · May 25, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52

it doesnt make it right though

Mr_eX · May 25, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

When I'm trading, I generally turn the local channel off because I don't want to listen to local chat or do business with anybody stupid enough not to use the trade channel.

What the hell is the problem with using the trade channel? None.

Bottom line: Anybody who doesn't use the trade channel is a bot or a moron.

aron searle · May 25, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

Yes, the current system isn’t great. Yes, it needs to be improved. However sometimes the improvements are MUCH more complicated then you can imagine. The users say: give us an auction house, but in reality the BEST solution may NOT be a trading house at all. Anet will want to INVESTIGATE and TEST, and TEST somemore. These things take TIME. This is further complicated by the fact that trading is NOT a SIMPLE matter and of the whole game it is the ONE feature that CANNOT AFFORD TO FAIL.

Is there SOMETHING wrong WITH your CAPS key?

your right it cannot afford to fail, or they look silly.

So they put in a non existant system (a chat channel is not a trade system), theve had a year, and nothing has happend so far. It would be nice if they told us what they where planning.

im bored now